
Fire + Water is a pretty wacky episode, listed as one of the top 5 shark jumping moments on the show according to one blog (Notably absent in the list is the episode featuring the shark) and an early hiatus for a popular podcast (see the tweets from @hawaii) Before I digress into a blob of metaness, let me say that this episode appears to be more revealing after a re-watch. First of all, in context, this episode is all setup to the next episode The Long Con. But it also has its fare share of a longer con foreshadowing. The first scene with images of John the Baptist, and baptism, foreshadow the struggle Charlie has with his dreams, and the importance of Aaron (which is still to come in many fan's mind). But his mother also says "play the music Charlie, save us", which is a big ol' foreshadow to what Charlie does in the Looking Glass station. This episode also shows a change in Locke, who for the first time gets physical with another person. Locke may have his anger management issues, but he's never been the violent sort. Enjoyable re-watch, though still kinda weird, enjoy reading the tweets.
DieCer: Just finished watching S2E12 of LOST. Charlie's a trip. I wonder if the baby REALLY needed to be baptized. I wonder if that IS what it was
LOST_WFTB: @Sefus you can do it! Fire + Water Monday at 8PM CDT
LOST_WFTB: Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on
AllModConz: RT @LOST_WFTB: Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire Water
sw76: RT @LOST_WFTB: Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on // oh yeah!
DrDreia: @LOST_WFTB: Live TweetUp 2nite 8PM 4 Fire Watr// we've guests comng 2nite. Might miss it. RIP Ana Lucia..right? :)
LOST_WFTB: @DrDreia Not yet... Ana doesn't get killed til almost the end of the season, don't be so anxious! ;)
sw76: @LOST_WFTB why can't we be anxious? ;-) #anahate LOL
HapiBnBusiMom: RT @LOST_WFTB Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on - Never too late to join us!
Model_Melissa: Good morning! RT @LOST_WFTB Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on //I'll be there!
TizPro: RT @LOST_WFTB Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on - Never too late to join us!
LOST_WFTB: Live TweetUp Tonight 8PM for Fire + Water - Pass it on - Charlie centric episode.
LOST_WFTB: Does everyone have the Episode for tonight Fire + Water? 8PM CDT start time, invite a friend.
LOST_WFTB: Something came up, and I won't be able to join tonight, but y'all keep on trekking with Fire + Water at 8PM
HapiBnBusiMom: Just now getting around to watching #S2E11 for . Should be done in time to watch and tweet about with my tweeps tonight.
batchoutlost: I will not be tonight. (with family) I love the Flag Paint Job & Charlie's Dreams in , Echoes of Faith No More's Epic video.
ZachsMind: Huh.. This palette has a working monitor. Guess I'll be joining the Live Tweetup tonight at 8pm central
LOST_WFTB: for Fire + Water starts in 26 minutes. Check in... have fun with your family @batchoutlost :)
HapiBnBusiMom: Checking in! T @LOST_WFTB: for Fire + Water starts in 26 minutes. Check in... have fun with your family @batchoutlost
ZachsMind: BTW Damn abc.com for removing S2-4 of from their website. I'll join w/the festivities despite their error in judgment.
lostdogs10: Live Tweetup tonight at 8pm central Checking in
LOST_WFTB: @restartt tonight, stared in 21 minutes... hurry!
LOST_WFTB: woot dog... I always wonder what happened to the 10 of them. RT @lostdogs10 Live Tweetup tonight at 8pm central Checking in
LOST_WFTB: @ZachsMind I sure hope their just re transoding them for hulu/netflix streams.
ZachsMind: @LOST_WFTB I don't share your optimism but we can hope it's just a temporary technical glitch.
Bailey81: @LOST_WFTB checking in for me and @TizPro! (not s23....)
LOST_WFTB: and the hatch clock keeps ticking 16 minutes until Live TweetUp... (this is where my new followers say too many tweets)
LOST_WFTB: RT @Bailey81: @LOST_WFTB checking in for me and @TizPro! (not s23....) // glad you're here, and queer... no wait, nvrmd.
GeneralProfound: > @lost_wftb: [...] Live TweetUp... (this is where my new followers say too many tweets) < is there such a thing
HapiBnBusiMom: Testing my tags.
LOST_WFTB: @GeneralProfound it's somewhere around 1000 tweets/day ;)
jstueve: @GeneralProfound it's somewhere around 1000 tweets/day ;)
Yelwrose: Hi, twitterfriends :)
ZachsMind: I've been contemplating returning to NetFlix. I used to have an account. have they improved I left on sour terms.
LOST_WFTB: @ZachsMind we rejoined for the streaming, have had one movie in house for 3 months, but worth it for the streaming.
LOST_WFTB: less than 8 minutes until the Live Tweet Up, I wonder if @EWDocJensen of @EWAusielloFiles will join in?
lostdogs10: @ZachsMind @LOST_WFTB How much do you have to pay for Netflix vs itunes? Live Tweetup tonight at 8pm central
LOST_WFTB: @lostdogs10 netflix is a subscription per month, minimum ~$10/month, stream as much as you want. buy episodes at ituens
ZachsMind: I don't recall this episode being one of my favorites. Maybe time has improved it.
lostdogs10: @LOST_WFTB Oh ok I just signed up with Hulu over the weekend.
Bailey81: Just throwing in my 2 cents - Netflix streaming is awesome. Agree I use that more than DVDs (but that's also good)
Yelwrose: @ZachsMind I didn't like the last ep much. Don't remember what this one is about.
TizPro: Checkin in!
LOST_WFTB: PRESS PLAY for ... thanks y'all for coming remember to use the hashtags.
LaceyKT11F2: LOST_WFTB: and the hatch clock keeps ticking 16 minutes until Live TweetUp... (this is where my new followers say too ma
ZachsMind: oops! It's 8pm over here so i'm pushing play. ..well, 8:01 now. LOL!
LOST_WFTB: Previously on LOST: Charlie is a lying heroin fiend, and Claire is being bitchy.
HapiBnBusiMom: I pressed already too!
ZachsMind: I like the Hunting Party a lot but Fire + Water is a little disjointed and weird.
kbailey3131: this is your virgin mary statute, this is your virgin mary statute filled with drugs....any questions? for
LOST_WFTB: painting of the John the Baptist, baptising Christ... and VOLTRON! WOAH!
TizPro: I love Voltron!
HapiBnBusiMom: I SO don't remember this episode!
LOST_WFTB: Liam gets Voltron, Charlie gets a piano. ... I think I like Liam's bettah. ;)
HapiBnBusiMom: What a ton of pressure! You're going to get us all out of here!
HapiBnBusiMom: I DO don't remember this episode!
Bailey81: @HapiBnBusiMom I don't remember this one either....
ZachsMind: Charlie's mom called her son special. save us baby bro see what i mean by weird?
HapiBnBusiMom: Poor Charlie has always been the one people relied up to save them!
kbailey3131: Charlie Pace + Charlie Bucket? Hrmmmmmm? for
lostdogs10: @HapiBnBusiMom No kidding. Charlie was an early Michael Jackson. Get us out of here.
ZachsMind: FATE on Charlie's fingers.
LOST_WFTB: Save us Charlie ... play a tune and save us... a bit of foreshadowing, playing a tune amongst the waves...
TizPro: Save us baby bro Charlie comes back this season to save them all!
Bailey81: @lostdogs10 I hope you don't get MJ trending again.. :)
Model_Melissa: RT @ZachsMind FATE on Charlie's fingers.
HapiBnBusiMom: I love how much Charlie has grown to care for Aaron in just 40 some-odd days of knowing Claire!
kbailey3131: Now appearing at the ocean side amphitheater...Charlie Pace....playing all the greatest hit of Drive Shaft for
ZachsMind: OK first time I saw this I thought Charlie was losing it. Now I'm wondering if he's sensing something.. off? in Locke.
Bailey81: Locke all buddy buddy w/ Aaron... he's been like the invisible father figure (cradle, swaddling, etc)
HapiBnBusiMom: What is a nappy anyway?
kbailey3131: Nappys are diapers in british slang for
HapiBnBusiMom: Everybody says that get things back to the way they were before.
kbailey3131: or british vocab.... for
TizPro: Claire's eyes are crazy blue!
LOST_WFTB: @HapiBnBusiMom been too long.. but burp rags? nappys?
lostdogs10: Uh Locke taking Charlie's place as protector of Claire and Aaron.
hawaii: @LOST_WFTB Oh my. Fire+Water? This episode prompted @kilinahe and I to retire our podcast in 2006! Glad to be back now.
LOST_WFTB: Charlie: yeah.. Space... Me: Space... the final frontier...
LOST_WFTB: @hawaii really? you thought it was over? jumped the shark week?
Bailey81: Bitchin' flat, mate.
kbailey3131: quick save Charlie, be careful not to poke her eyes out with your nose Pinocchio... for
LOST_WFTB: RT @HapiBnBusiMom: Everybody says that get things back to the way they were before. // that's the regressive Nemesis.:)
Model_Melissa: Hurley coined the term tailies. ZachsMindFATE on Charlie's fingers.
ZachsMind: In S1 we saw how Charlie's brother cleaned up his act for his daughter. Here, we see the other side of his journey.
Yelwrose: @hawaii Glad you are back, too! Enjoyed your coverage from SDCC with @jayandjack
Bailey81: Island physical therapy... Annnnddd... there's Sawyer's next booty call
LOST_WFTB: you got a little love connection there Jabba?... Sawyer was just showing off for Katie/Freckles.
ZachsMind: that's the third time I seen them walkin out of the jungle.. Did AnaLucia & Jack bump & grind off cam?
HapiBnBusiMom: Oh, Charlies runs to the water to save the baby! A little foreshadowing!
lostdogs10: Jack should have tapped that before Anna died.
Yelwrose: I wanted Hurley and Libby to get together so badly!
Bailey81: Charlie can swim to save Aaron, but not that other chick (Joanna?) He's clean. it's all good...
kbailey3131: oh my Chuck for
lostdogs10: Ok Charlie can swin now but not when Joanna died and Boone went out to save her.
HapiBnBusiMom: Hurley all biblical is a great visual!
LOST_WFTB: lots of Charlie as savior imagery... with the beach / ocean in the background.
kbailey3131: Convenient eh? RT @Bailey81: Charlie can swim to save Aaron, but not that other chick (Joanna?)
kbailey3131: oh my now THIS gets awkward..... for
HapiBnBusiMom: I think I don't like Claire now!
Bailey81: Ummm yeah.... So that was a pretty reasonable reaction, right? Claire smackdown....
HapiBnBusiMom: Sawyer is nasty but I love him. Teasing Hurley is cute!
lostdogs10: When the bird came out the painting it sounded like a plane engine. Which makes me think of the Yemi's plane.
ZachsMind: Charlie said he couldn't swim in S1 White Rabbit. but he lied cuz he'd been using. That's the retcon anyway.
HapiBnBusiMom: Hurley never would have had the nerve to talk to Libby w/o Sawyer!
HapiBnBusiMom: Because Charlie LIES RT @lostdogs10: Ok Charlie can swin now but not when Joanna died and Boone went out to save her.
LOST_WFTB: with 23rd Psalm just a few episodes prior, LOST is hitting a bunch of religious references....
ZachsMind: It's also possible the writers forgot. Could be that this is a clue, but seems to vague and speculative.
LOST_WFTB: word. wtg red. neck. man. RT @HapiBnBusiMom: Hurley never would have had the nerve to talk to Libby w/o Sawyer!
HapiBnBusiMom: Not ANOTHER LIE Charlie!
kbailey3131: Locke is good....lol for
lostdogs10: @ZachsMind Did it sound like plane engine coming out of the painting.
Model_Melissa: omg I forgot about this diaper scene! Lost is funny as hell sometimes.
ZachsMind: Your moment is now, Hoss! LOL
LOST_WFTB: Locke: all of them? Charlie: all of them. Charlie's angel: well except for those in my stash.
lostdogs10: Great video coming up.
HapiBnBusiMom: Okay, NOW I remember this episode with the baby video about diapers!
Bailey81: This choreography is great. Dancing w/ the stars to You All Everybody
LOST_WFTB: say what you will, but Charlie totally sells the baby rocker riff.
TizPro: My band is going to cover you all everybody
Model_Melissa: Did we ever find out why the washer/dryer was newer than everything else?
ZachsMind: Trust is a hard thing to win back. Is Locke sincere, or is he purposefully wedging Charlie out of Claire's picture? y?
TizPro: Are we calling this two Hibby??
kbailey3131: :Shaking head: ooooh that Liam.... for
lostdogs10: @TizPro Will you and you're band be wearing nappy's?
Model_Melissa: Libby's lying about the foot. He didn't go that far back in the plane.
HapiBnBusiMom: Oh, Libby looks like she KNOWS Hurley knows her from the psych ward! Now she's lying!
Bailey81: @Model_Melissa Did we ever find out why the washer/dryer was newer than everything else? // No, but I'm def wondering..
Yelwrose: @TizPro Do you have all the words? LOL, All I've ever heard is You all, everybody!
LOST_WFTB: Libby get a greek chorus line: Are these washers newer than everything else in here...
LOST_WFTB: RT @TizPro: Are we calling this two Hibby?? // that's better than Lurley...
HapiBnBusiMom: Hee hee! RT @Yelwrose: @TizPro Do you have all the words? LOL, All I've ever heard is You all, everybody!
Bailey81: @LOST_WFTB I sort of like Lurley.... lol
Yelwrose: @LOST_WFTB or Lurley :D
Bailey81: @Yelwrose There's also acting like you stupid people wearin your fancy clothes
ZachsMind: Do I know you from somewhere? Why did Libby lie? There's still story there. Shame we'll never know it.
HapiBnBusiMom: Ohhhh, Locke does NOT like the idea of baptizing Aaron!???
lostdogs10: @Yelwrose You all, everybody! Acting like stupid people
Bailey81: @HapiBnBusiMom Yeah... I guess his faith lies somewhere else... hmmm...
HapiBnBusiMom: I SO cannot wait until Season 6 to answer some questions; but I do love this rewatch with you guys!
LOST_WFTB: creepy Locke ... smells like smokie...
kbailey3131: Why does it feel like Locke is going muahahahahahahaha inside his head? for
lostdogs10: @HapiBnBusiMom Has Locke already become Flocke?
TizPro: I guess killing someone mellows you out...Ana Lucia is a total different personality now.
Bailey81: Jack and Anna Lucia playing house... and just like off the island she's gonna boink someone else... Sawyer.
Bailey81: Ok, say what you will about Anna Lucia, but she rocks for saying Are you hittin' that?
LOST_WFTB: there must have been a tarp trade show in Sydney... ... Ana: You hitting that? bwaahahaha.
ZachsMind: OK now the look on Locke's face is.. This is like watching Sixth Sense the second time. Or Usual Suspects.
TizPro: @HapiBnBusiMom Yeah this whole WFTB thing is pretty sweet!
HapiBnBusiMom: They are keeping a secret the return of some surprise characters for season 6. That's what I'd do.
HapiBnBusiMom: I agree! RT @Bailey81: Ok, say what you will about Anna Lucia, but she rocks for saying Are you hittin' that?
ZachsMind: You're hittin' that? OK this conversation indicates that Jack's too much of an idiot to be hitting on AnaLucia.
Bailey81: HA!! RT @LOST_WFTB: there must have been a tarp trade show in Sydney... ... Ana: You hitting that? bwaahahaha.
HapiBnBusiMom: Or Season 5 FLOCKE! RT @ZachsMind: OK now the look on Locke's face is.. This is like watching Sixth Sense the 2nd time.
lostdogs10: @LOST_WFTB you're hot, she's hot
ZachsMind: AnaLucia showed obvious interest in Jack. He nevr bit, cuz he's an idiot. If they wr having sex she wouldn't have asked.
HapiBnBusiMom: @lostdogs10 I just thought that! I think so! He may have been FLOCK from the beginning!
ZachsMind: Here's a question for everybody. Is Charlie using in this episode, or are the dreams from something else?
kbailey3131: Charlie's song is about 1980ish for
lostdogs10: The Pace brother's remind me of Eko and his brother and the brother's from Oasis.
Bailey81: @HapiBnBusiMom Been thinkin he's been some form of flocke from the time the plane crashed, but not sure if jacob or MIB.
kbailey3131: I say these dreams are from something else, I don't believe he's using for
LOST_WFTB: @ZachsMind I think he was straight, he hadn't broken a mary until Locke caught him.
lostdogs10: @ZachsMind I believe the dreams are coming from the Island and Charlie isn't usning again.
Bailey81: Locke: Our boy??
HapiBnBusiMom: No babies sleep through the night at less than 40 days old FLOCKE! HELLO!
LOST_WFTB: you've given up the right to be believed, Charlie. is a nemesis type line
lostdogs10: @Bailey81 Maybe the end game is to get Aaron's soul.
Yelwrose: @ZachsMind I think he's clean
LOST_WFTB: Matches? ... the hatched solved a lot of the supply problems from a sole plane crash perspective.
lostdogs10: The fire looks like the burning bush Moses saw.
Model_Melissa: Charlie always has his hood up when he's in drug-addict mode.
ZachsMind: So Locke could have shown Claire the evidence but chose not to? Now I don't know what to believe.
Bailey81: @HapiBnBusiMom Had that idea as well. Not sure which side is bad/good. Maybe it's just light/dark and not good/bad...
kbailey3131: oh my this is going to look suspicious Chuck....
TizPro: Charlie should have gone with Liem.
LOST_WFTB: Charlie: Liam, Where's my piano? Liam: I sold it... I wonder if he sold his cherry Voltron too... only fair.
Bailey81: @Model_Melissa The hood thing is the symbol of being in a cocoon/not blossoming sort of thing according to Darlton
lostdogs10: What about me? Sounds a lot like Ben to Jacob.
HapiBnBusiMom: Ecko didn't say Aaron needed to be baptized.
Yelwrose: Read a very interesting theory here: http://tinyurl.com/lz6q8u Don't agree 100% but is well thought out.
Model_Melissa: I think Locke *likes* Claire. Or Charlie does. He definitely has a weird interest in her.
TizPro: @LOST_WFTB I would be really sad if he sold Voltron.
TizPro: Damnnnnn Charlie! You got knocked the fuck out!!!
HapiBnBusiMom: OMy! I don't remember LOCKE doing that to Charlie! INTENSE!
LOST_WFTB: aside from knife throwing, I don't think I've ever seen John be violent with anyone, and here he hits Charlie thrice.
kbailey3131: whoa....that was pretty authoritative
Bailey81: Gah! Purell on a cut??? Dr. Pain!
Yelwrose: After Season 4 and 5, S2 seems really slow.
kbailey3131: or you'll do what Jack? People have done worse and you've done nothing bah!
LOST_WFTB: pace has certainly increased... this is where they had to vamp. RT @Yelwrose: After Season 4 and 5, S2 seems really slow.
Bailey81: @RadiantGUARD Will read that when this ep is over... thanks!
lostdogs10: I wonder if Jack cross stitches?
ZachsMind: I think both Locke and Charlie are fighting something inside here. Locke's battle is more internal.
HapiBnBusiMom: Ahhh, Charlie is compared to John the Baptist (dove flew down out of the sky as in that painting scene)?
LOST_WFTB: the story of john the baptism and jesus, just like the painting in the opening scene.
TizPro: Eko can't baptize anyone! He was never officially ordained was he?
HapiBnBusiMom: Ohhh, FLOCKE would be pissed if he saw Ecko baptizing Claire and Aaron!
LOST_WFTB: I remember a big bruhaha with the episode and it's explanation of baptism... I was just amazed they'd even show it on tv.
Bailey81: Lots of Catholic stuff this season... lots of Egypt religion later in series... curiouser and curiouser..
ZachsMind: ...Heaven came much later.
HapiBnBusiMom: So, FLOCKE saves the drugs in an effort to maybe tempt Charlie again in the future?
HapiBnBusiMom: Charlies puts on his hoody and goes back into his cocoon not realizing that Claire and Aaron were baptized 'cause of him!
LOST_WFTB: RT @HapiBnBusiMom: So, FLOCKE saves the drugs in an effort to maybe tempt Charlie again in the future?
kbailey3131: @HapiBnBusiMom SURE DOES! for
TizPro: Decent epi...nothing crazy happened, but still good. BAD ROBOT!!!
HapiBnBusiMom: I feel so bad for Charlie! So glad he's coming back in Season 6! He needs his vengeance!
lostdogs10: I'm beginning to think maybe Locke is already Flocke. The way Locke explained baptism was a bit different from Eko's.
LOST_WFTB: this episode, i think foreshadows and sets up Charlie's death... sacrificial... playing a song to save us.
HapiBnBusiMom: Exactly! Hmmmm, Charlie IS good force and will make it to heaven! RT @ZachsMind: ...Heaven came much later.
ZachsMind: No thud this time. Definitely not one of my favorite episodes but nice to see again.
LOST_WFTB: @lostdogs10 Locke and Eko come from two very difference backgrounds, Locke doesn't strike me as religious, more skeptic.
LOST_WFTB: skeptic/agnostic. for all his talk about 'faith' his belief system isn't well defined, while Eko has some religious background.
kbailey3131: @lostdogs10 I definitely think Flocke has been at work for quite a while
ZachsMind: @LOST_WFTB Good point. This does foreshadow Charlie's sacrifice. He dies from drowning. Saves future baby Charlie Hume.
lostdogs10: This ep was way to show maybe there is war over Aaron.Now he's innocent and can be turned to one side or the other
LOST_WFTB: @hawaii there were certainly times where the plot treaded water for a bit.. :) thanks for joining in to the stream.
ZachsMind: Both Locke & Ekko are men of faith. Locke's just not religious in a Christian sense. He makes up his own religion.
HapiBnBusiMom: Ditto! RT @LOST_WFTB: @hawaii thanks for joining in to the stream.
LOST_WFTB: RT @ZachsMind: Both Locke & Ekko are men of faith. He makes up his own religion. // his own personal, jesus.
HapiBnBusiMom: @ZachsMind I don't think Locke has faith. I think he's luring people towards choices that will benefit his side.
HapiBnBusiMom: Locke is conniving; not faithful.
lostdogs10: Eko isn't really that religious. He stole his brother's idenity as a priest. He's religious but he wasn't ordained.
LOST_WFTB: Next Live TweetUp on Wednesday for #s2E13 The Long Con... looking forward to this episode. is pure setup for Sawyer.
Yelwrose: @LOST_WFTB Thank you for hosting :) and thanks to everyone...enjoyed WFTB with you.
kbailey3131: @LOST_WFTB reach out and touch faith... ;)
lostdogs10: @LOST_WFTB Oy Vey Sawyer Centric.
hawaii: Interior of Charlie's flat is Honolulu Brewing Co. building on Queen St. Dark street outside is Nuuanu Ave. (used often).
Yelwrose: Be sure to check out this article http://tinyurl.com/lz6q8u Would enjoy reading your thoughts about it.
ZachsMind: I think Locke has w/thoughts inside him.. ..that may not be his own. I don't think he knows how much he's being used.
HapiBnBusiMom: Oy Vey is RIGHT! Bring on the Sawyer! RT @lostdogs10: @LOST_WFTB Oy Vey Sawyer Centric.
lostdogs10: It was good to rewatch this ep after seeing what happens in S5, you start looking at character & situations differently.
ZachsMind: There's Box Co Locke & what we later discover is UnLocke/Blackie. I think in S2 they inhabited the same head.
HapiBnBusiMom: @Yelwrose Read that on DarkUFO's site last night! AWESOME!
ZachsMind: Blackie infested John's soul like a parasite, and ate at him alive from within over his time on the Island. explains much
lostdogs10: @HapiBnBusiMom Yeesh. Can we watching The Hunting party instead? Kidding.
HapiBnBusiMom: Awesome having @hawaii join us. The comment about where Charlie's flat was filmed is a nice addition to our tweets!
LOST_WFTB: RT @kbailey3131: @LOST_WFTB reach out and touch faith... ;) bow bahmba da dooda.
lostdogs10: @HapiBnBusiMom @Yelwrose I agree it's probably the best thought out well written theory I've seen to date.
HapiBnBusiMom: @lostdogs10 Aww, come one! You know it's gotta be better than tonight! Won't you have so much fun doggin' me!
ZachsMind: Great to have you along @hawaii The more the merrier! Hope you can join in more often. Good night gang!
lostdogs10: Depeche Mode-Personal Jesus (With Lyrics) http://blip.fm/~anpvt
HapiBnBusiMom: Fun night tonight all! Transitioning now to family room and iPhone to follow your tweets!
lostdogs10: Now I want to watch closer to see if I can see a change in him.